Today was another great moment for NJ Residents for Action, for the state of NJ and our country. We had such a nice turn-out in front of Leonard Lance's office. About 45 people came to show their support on the major issues of universal background checks, reduced magazine clips and a ban on assault weapons. Unfortunately we had some uninvited and uneducated foul-mouthed guests show, but fortunately we outnumbered the "others".

As far as I understood gun advocates outnumbered ur group and stayed longer than an hour.. plus a stranger dropped them off coffee

so i hear

You can try to distort the truth but you are still not focusing on criminals and gangs, nobody said your group was "foul-mouthed" please don't spread lies, instead urge that criminals don't return to the streets with a slap on the wrist, thank you!

LKB - what is a "magazine clip?" Seriously, I'd like to know.

I was there today, in support of Congressman Lance's pro 2A stance. I was there the full time - I noticed you all left early - and I know that NO ONE from our side was "foul mouthed." Stick to the issue and stop spewing lies. Isn't your side the one who talks about what's "fair?" You must not feel very confident in your position if you have to lie about our behavior.

Also, since when does an American have to be "invited" to a public sidewalk? Like Greg Ziolkowski said, it's about liberty. Sad that some Americans are so willing to give up their freedoms, but they need to keep their hands off mine.

Congratulations to the NJ2AS supporters for braving the cold and helping to defend our 2nd amendment constitutional rights.

I want to Thank Everyone who showed up to protect the 2nd amendment rights. We need to educate the public in how utterly idiotic these new bills are..

Very well said "LC" the members of NJ2AS have been very polite. You can not expect society to improve if people don't comprehend the firearm's owners who have passed background checks are not the one's committing crimes.

I think we should have a ban on how many tabloid magazines people read. They cause more damage then law abiding assault weapons owners.

excellent support for Congressman Lance's pro 2A stance!!!

Just incase the majority of you don't read, Lance is coming to the other side...the sensible side. That's right, probably he'll be voting on universal background checks and closing gun show loopholes - that's right, better start stockpiling your illegal guns now.

Putting FEAR into people about some made up idea of taking away anyone's second amendment is the biggest bunch of nonsense
Where does it stop. ? At rocket launchers ? Do you want that too ?
There are REASOBABLE limits to ALL rights . You can't yell fire in a crowded building. You can't openly attempt to assassinate the president of United States . Thats a class D felony
If you think a federal ban on assault weapons is a violation of your Second Amendment rights , then why dont you take the case to the Supreme Court? There's a ban on assaultvweapons in New Jersey. Take it to the Supreme Court. Guess what ? If you did you'd lose
Do you think if the NRA had any chance in hell that they would win a Supreme Court case if they took the New Jersey assault weapons ban to the Supreme Court , dont you think they would've by now?
They havent because they know they would lose so they spend their time brainwashing people like you with nonsense

I think that today's Unity Protest, organized by NJ Residents for Action against Gun Violence was quite successful. This grass root organization was just created six weeks ago, and one could see the fervor and enthusiasm that was reflected by this group. We stand for "common sense gun laws, plain and simple". We do believe in the 2nd Amendment and do not wish to annul it, as some of the Pro-NRA gentlemen who showed up keep on claiming through their signs. We believe that men and women have the right to bear arms to practice target shooting and to hunt, but one does not need an Assault weapon with more than 10 clips to kill a deer! nor to fight a potential intruder.
As far as LC words"I was there in support of Congressman Lance's pro 2A stance, well...how do you know what his position is? He has publicly refused to reveal it...Ooops! I forgot, he does have an A- rating from the NRA.
In any case, NJ Residents for Action against gun violence sincerely hope that Cong. Lance will finally decide to divulge his "conscience", as 70% of his constituents (Fairleigh Dickinson Poll) do believe in common sense gun laws.

seems NJ Residents for Action Against Gun Violence are not a local organization but rather a faction of the national Moveon.Org, with ties to Americans For Responsible Solutions and Demand a Plan, and Mayors Against Illegal Guns. That being said can someone from any of these groups please explain how any one of the proposed new bills for NJ will actually safe a life, or reduce gun violence............

LC! You cannot talk about your freedoms without considering mine. I want the freedom to go to a movie theatre, church, or school without being murdered. The status quo is not ok, and sorry, but you need to give a little because I have rights too. And don't tell me the 2A says, " go do whatever you want with your guns". Don't even! MP

I doubt the people protesting for "action" in NJ know we already have an extended mental health background check system in NJ, or that of the 269 gun related murders ONE was committed by a person with a rifle ( FBI 2011 stats ), that 15 round is STANDARD for a magazine , not high capacity..we already have a high capacity ban. 15 rounds is standard for smaller caliber pistols most likely to be the firearm of choice for home defense for WOMEN . I doubt they know they are calling to close a loophole that does.not.exist in NJ..you can't buy face to face in NJ without an FID card for long guns and a pistol permit for handguns..you have to go through a background check for all of those cards and permits . WE DO NOT HAVE GUN SHOWS IN NJ anyway. We do not have a rifle problem in NJ , we do not have high capacity magazine problem in NJ , we do not have any loopholes in NJ. We have an illegal handgun problem .The people caught committing crimes with these illegal handguns are back out after making bail and never spend more than a few months in prison in any event. To the people who were protesting for action - if you want to save lives hold the politicians feet to the fire in requesting more thorough enforcement and sentences that STICK for those who break the already very strict gun laws we DO have. You'll make no dent in the death rate wasting your energy trying to put further restrictions on the people who intend on following the law. We are already solid on all the other laws.

The media & THIS administration are using these Tragedies to gather public support to push their agenda. They are USING the people from move-on by distorting the truth. My advise is to them is check the facts. Especially before you let others take advantage of you to push THEIR agenda. Start with looking up Colorado Hunting Regulations and you will find the .223 used in the Aurora Tragedy is PROHIBITED for deer hunting. It is a very small caliber. It is considered inadequate for taking game smaller than coyotes and rabbits. These are Colorado Rules & Regualtions. The Police prefer to use the SMALL caliber .223 in case they miss their target. The chances of penetrating a wall and hitting a law-abiding citizen in the next room are reduced. The Police use the BLACK rifle as a physiologial deterent for crowd control. The bark is much louder than it's bite. The ammo is very lightweight. If you fall for this than a black car should be considered an Assualt Vehicle and banned from the public. Think before you let george soros known as the financial terrorist of the world & founder of IANSA USE you as sheep to disarm America. He also supports Move-on. The shooter in Aurora was considered "brillant." Smart enough to be a brain surgeon. Say there were NO guns in the world. Would he have been a different person? Would you want him to conduct surgery on anyone you loved? This is NOT about guns. This is about dismantling the Constitution. This is a DIRECT attack on YOUR GOD-Given Rights.

Notice how this administration will place NO blame on gangs, illegals or criminals?
They are looking for soft states like NJ, NY and CA to push their agenda.
I don't recall any small print in the Bill of Rights that exempt NJ, NY or CA. Hmmm???
Not one of these 43 Bills will reduce crime.
They will only place more restrictions on the good law-abiding citizens in NJ.
Their intent is to divide and conquer.
This is NOT a gun problem.
This is a society problem.
And these elected officals who FAILED as leaders in their community and the nation are using gun control to distract your attention from placing blame on them for avoiding to address the real problems in society and those who cause them.
Crimials do NOT comply with the law.
Now our elected officals are FAILING to comply with the Law.
They were sworn-in to Protect and Defend the Constitution they took an OATH to UPHOLD. It is an IMPEACHABLE offense to circumvent against the Constitution INCLUDING the Second Amendment which is the one God-Given Individual Rights that protects ALL the rest including YOUR First Admendment Right - Freedom of Speech.

LKB you obviously have too much time on your hands. Guns are safe and made to be safe. It is those who havent been educated about them or have acquired them illegally that make them unsafe. Who are you to take away someones right to own what they want especially when they are law abiding and have been utilizing their rights and liberties. Millions have died fighting for our rights and liberties. I have taken an oath to uphold the constitution and served for 9 years including a year in a combat zone. What have have you done? I am educated and frankly am offended that you think its the uneducated that see this proposal as wrong. Just because Oprah says to fight it doesnt mean its right. By the way ever hear the saying those who yell the loudest fall the hardest. Cant wait to all those like you fall and fail.

Do you people even have a clue what the current laws in NJ are?????? NJ is rated A- by the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence .....http://smartgunlaws.org/new-jersey-state-law-summary/ educate yourselves! There is not a single proposal on the table that will stop a crazy from shooting you in the movies or walking down the street as someone up there mentioned.......wake up---prosecute the offenders, take away their rights, they deserve no less...... do something about the out of control mental health status of this country, stop putting bandaids on real problems and start taking real steps towards correction...and by the way EVIL is a fact of life, you will bever rid the world of it, so why try to rid the world of the ability to PROTECT oneself from it should the need occur!

So let me get this straight, the responsible gun owners who passed background checks and responsibly lock up their weapons so their children don't shoot each other, who felt the need to show up today at the NJResidents for Action against gun violence came to oppose federal background checks and gun show loop holes? Isn't that considered an oxymoron. Do you people even know what you are not fighting for? Instead of fighting us, all you responsible gun owners should be outraged by the abuses that irresponsible gun owners exhibit each and every day. Everyone there today knows this has nothing to do with your second amendment right and every thing to do with PUBLIC SAFETY because my kids are more important than your assault weapons and irresponsible gun owners. Start looking at your own organization before you disrupt someone else. Its called "looking in the mirror".

FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME WE ARE TALKING ABOUT FEDERAL ASSAULT BAN , FEDERAL ASSAULT BAN , FEDERAL FEDERAL FEDERAL
WHY ??????????
So people can't go to PA OR VA and buy these weapons and come to NJ AND EXECUTE MY CHILDREN !!!!!!!!!
Listen to What we are saying !!!!!!!!
It's like takjjng to a WALL with some of you PEOPLE
The poor STUDENTS executed at VA were killed by weapons bought at a gun show in VA WITH NO BACKGROUND CHECK.!!! Get it through your THICK HEADS . We are not taking AWAY your freukin GUNS!!!
DO PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY AS CIVILIANS NEED TO OWN THE WEAPONS THEY USE IN AFGHANISTAN FOR GOD SAKE?

1st off there are no gun shows in NJ due to current laws, 2nd ly We are outraged at the abuses, hence why we are demanding as you call it "common sense" solutions. It has as much to do with to do with rights as safety--- take one away and then the next the next and the next...if its really about lives then lets start being sensible and think about the revolving doors that criminals go through with a slap on the wrist rather than being punished for their crimes to the fullest extent of the law, You think we dont have kids or care about our kids???? My son was at VA Tech both times along with my daughter in law, my granddaughter the 2nd time....guess what 1st time no armed guards, 2nd time armed guards with what amounts to pea shooters, there wont be a 3rd time - the guards are no longer in plain sight and are carrying guns we cant afford to have.......... your version of how to be safe and secure and that of others differs so be it, you dont want guns dont buy them, dont use them...when you get attacked and the police are 20 minutes away and you have no way to call them, then what? I prefer to be secure my way and it is my right...you prefer you way and it is your right........again are you familiar with NJ gun law as it is today?????

oh and right no one should have showed up to counter your attacks on the rights of Americans because your will and thoughts are the only ones, what you think everyone should think, please....stop the NONSENSE!!!!!

I hear people ask:

why does anyone need more than one gun or a magazine with more than 10 rounds.

I ask EVERY one of you to ask yourself this simple question:

Why does anyone need a car in America that EXCEEDS the legal speed limit?

There is ABSOLUTELY NO reason to own or operate a car that exceeds the legal speed limit in America or NJ.

How many of you have children who own a car or motorcycle that can EXCEED -- double -- the legal speed limit?

There is NO reason your children should own or operate a vehicle that EXCEEDS double the legal speed limit.

Give me 1 reason....

Then if and maybe then you will have the answer to your own question.

ALL vehicles that EXCEED the legal speed limit MUST be banned.

"If it only saves 1 life"

Question for the NJ Residents For Action: For years now little minority boys and girls from Newark to Washington DC to Chicago to Oakland have been getting shot to pieces BY HANDGUNS yet you never showed the slightest concern. Why is it that you so-called "color-blind" lefties only seem stirred to action when it's little white kids that get killed? Do you see little Brittany or Aidan's life as somehow more valuable than Juanita's or Julio's, Maliyah's or DeShawn's? How many young minorities have been shot since Newtown, yet all Karen Egert talks about (always in CAPS) are the innocents of Newtown. I guess in her liberal land of faux compassion, it's only worth getting off one's butt to organize a half-hour protest or fire off a few blogs when white kids are the victims. Hey, but remember, the Tea Partiers are the racists right? Oh, and why are you not in Camden where gun crimes actually happen on a regular basis instead of Westfield? How brave of you.

Irresposible are those who let criminals walk free on a plea bargan, irresponsible are those who do not comply with laws, irresponsible are those who think criminal minded people do follow laws, irresponsible are those who allow their consitutionAl rights to be infringed upon, irresponsible are those who ignore gangs and criminal behavior, irresponsible are those who do not act as a role model for their children, irresponsible are those who do not get involved in their communities

Dear HL,

Are you NOT listening , or just can't listen. Use your common sense. If you can buy an assault weapon soooo easily in PA you're damn straight someone can come into any movie theater in NJ.
Besides, what kind of country do you want to live in? Where owning an assault rifle trumps the POSSIBILITY OF SAVING LIVES?? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE??

More facts:

For those who fall into bloomberg's trap....

"we need to close the gun show loop-holes"

HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE EVER EVEN BEEN TO A GUN SHOW?

FYI- Gun shows are NO secret.
There are (undercover) ATF agents at EVERY one of them.

The seller is called a FFL dealer.
Federal Firearms LICENSED dealer.
(kind of like a liquor store or car dealer)
In AMERICA we have what is called a NICS (background check)
Notice how bloomberg never points this out???

N = NATIONAL (This means EVERY state)
I = INSTANT
C = Criminal
S = SYSTEM

What bloomberg is using to brainwash the public is like saying:
You can go down south and buy a brand new car from Detroit without a title.

NO Firearm leaves the factory without paperwork.
ALL firearms go to a LICENSED FFL distributer.
ALL firearms then go to a LICENSED FFL dealer.
NO person can buy a firearm with out going through a NICS check.

If a law-abiding person sells to a criminal the firearm paper trail will go back to the original seller and Law-Enforcement WILL hold them accountable.
Kind of like buying a car without a title???

This called a Straw-Purchase which comes with a $10,000 fine and 6 months in jail.

bloomberg is NOT looking for gun show loop-holes.

He is looking for Constitutional loop-holes.

And counts on people like move-on to believe the media without checking the facts.

He's USING YOU to push his agenda.

This is the person who wants to ban what size soft drink you can buy?

And just so WE get this straight, "gun free" cities like Chicago and DC dont have the highest murder rates in the country? Guns are not the issue, more laws are not the issue, there is a societal issue that is not being addressed, not one bill being voted on tomorrow addresses criminals. In New Jersey gangs are infested in our schools, why is this not being addressed? Did you know there are over 500 documented gangs statewide? Criminals do not follow laws!

LKB - You looked up "magazine clip" in the dictionary: "According to The Merriam-Webster dictionary now defines a clip as "a device to hold cartridges for charging the magazines of some rifles; also a magazine from which ammunition is fed into the chamber of a firearm." There is no such thing as a "magazine clip" - I don't have to look it up. It is either a clip or a magazine and modern guns do not use clips. Your comments are bizarre. You and your comrades are simply clueless - pathetic.

If your a parent shouldn't you be demanding a cop in every school? I had a cop in my middle school and high school, colleges have campus police, is their a cop in your schools or did they get laid off? Is there a cop trained in identifying "gang affiliation" and "drug abuse" in your schools? Why are you not focusing on combatting societal issues that have little or no paper trail like drugs, violence, and gang affiliations? Pretending that is not a core issue in "your" school or "your" town is just plain ignorant.

Do any of the anti gun crowd even bother looking at what current firearm laws are in this state? We currently have criminal and mental health background checks, waiting periods and numerous other steps that we have to take. Do you even for a minute think any criminal is going to apply for a legal firearm? The gun is obtained illegally stolen, black market. They are not walking into a dealer and making a purchase. If I make the decision to purchase a handgun in this state it will take at least 30 days maybe much longer to do this legally. If I was a criminal I could probably buy 10 illegal guns in an hour any time of day. I realize you want safety in public places like parks and movie theaters but trying to restrict something even further is not going to fix it. You want safety in public places petition the state to allow honest law,abiding citizens to conceal carry a firearm. Currently in NJ we can not do this. Law Enforcment can not be everywhere all the time.That is the only chance of curtailing the decay in our society. A criminal has no concern for your life or mine.

Dancing on the graves of dead children to push their agenda and make law abiding citizens less safe! These same morons think nothing of killing a baby a week prior to delivery. Sick, sick people!

We are outraged at senseless tragedies and you will never hear about our side because the media will only vilify and mute us. We always push for harsher sentences for criminals while the politicians and judges on your side push for lower bail and more lenient sentences. But here is the kicker, just like the whole "everybody must pay their fair share" idea, we, the law-abiding, are are criminalized for the actions of felons. We are blamed while we follow the letter of the law. When your politicians and your media talk about the "gun culture" somehow we freedom-loving, target shooting, home-defending, hunting, and, again, law-abiding citizens get lumped into the same category as gang-bangers, convicted felons, car jackers, robbers, rapists, mass-shooters, and murderers. Take away their rights, as it should be, and leave us alone.

That is what we are protesting.
That is what we are protesting.

Funny,

You don't complain about having Police in your banks to protect your money?
Or in a convienence store on the third shift.
Or in Motor Vehicles or the Unemployment Office.
You had one to two Police Officers in your gas stations 24/7 after Hurricane Sandy.
Mainly because NJ is one of only two states in America that don't trust people enough to pump their own gas. You had a shortage of man-power for stations with multiple pumps which created the lines.

But you oppose having a TRAINED PROFFESSIONAL already on the tax-payers salary to PROTECT YOUR Children in your schools?

And you people think you have the answer?

Disarm the public and make it easier for the criminal.

Columbine, Aurora, Newtown and VA ALL Gun-Free Zones and you want more?

OUR Schools who are RESPONSIBLE for OUR Children who are in THEIR care when the parent is NOT there should be able to PROTECT OUR Children from ALL harm including bad politics.

Let us first get the dialogue straight here. The term "assault weapon" is a fabricated term, circa 1989, often credited, but not confirmed, from Josh Sugarmann, used to instill fear into the unknowing American people and further propagated by the media. Assault weapons, or machine guns, as many of you would like to believe they are, are and have been banned from public sale for years. Additionally, the so-called "assault weapons" of which you fantasize banning are actually small caliber rifles, not high-powered, large caliber, "weapons of war", nor can they be converted into such. Many of the materials they are constructed of differ in composition, strength, and durability from their military-in-look-only comparisons.
Now for "large-capacity-magazines (or clips as they are mistakenly called). Standard capacity magazines will hold 15, 20, and 30 rounds.
So, before we entertain banning things we know nothing about, it would be prudent to KNOW what it is we're talking about.

I am going to leave this conversation understanding that not only do the loudest mouths regarding the Individuals for some kind of action people, whomever they are.. are nothing more than politically motivated sham-artists that know as much about the difference between steel casing vs brass casing, or the difference between 5.56 and 7.62.

You think that a foregrip makes the gun a lethal killing machine.. your stupidity knows NO BOUNDS... do not make the gun culture into bad people for we are not.. we are the educated because we CARE ABOUT OUR RIGHTS. I work in an ER, not on a farm..not in a gun shop. Im finishing my Nursing degree WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU KNOW?

I'll be willing to debate this with any of you.. but know this.. The odds are NOT in your favor, the Facts are NOT in your favor, the Statistics are NOT in your favor... and you will loose.

When logic is dwarfed by emotion and knee jerk reaction your argument finds its Genesis... You will lose.

So you had Law-Enforcement in your gas stations after Hurricane Sandy.

But you don't want a trained proffesional Police Officer in your schools to protect your children?

The schools should have the ability to protect YOUR children against ALL harm including bad politics.

Marc

11:35 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013

Whenever we see people using phrases like "high capacity clips" and "gun show loopholes" it immediately tells us that they are NOT at all well educated about the very firearms or terminology that they are actually opposing. It's a CLEAR signal that you've spent WAY too much time watching only (inaccurate and misinformed) Piers Morgan episodes and simply quoting Michael Bloomberg or Dianne Feinstein instead of watching some of the more informative You Tube firearms videos that are easily available to you.
It's a MAGAZINE, not a clip. Yes, some classic/older rifles do use something called a 'clip' but those are NOT what you are actually referring to here.
And as others have said, THERE ARE NO GUN SHOWS held in NJ.

Some of you people need to become more educated before you picket and protest about issues involving fellow law abiding citizens' rights and freedoms. You wouldn't want 'middle school dropouts' making major Board of Education decisions in your children's schools. Please afford us that same courtesy before you petition and protest our legislators/senators/congressman to make serious decisions involving that sacred Constitution/Bill of Rights THAT PROTECTS US ALL.
Trust me, we don't want crazed criminals injuring/killing innocent people/children either, but some (most actually) of these ideas/concepts/bills that you're fighting for are not going to help prevent/solve ANY of that.

In Trenton the Police are going door to door asking people to lock their homes and protect themselves against an increasing rapid growing criminal problem.

And you want to take the GOD - Given Individual Right of the people away?
The ability to protect their families, communtiy and country?

And make it easier for the criminals?

None of these anti-gun bills address the problem.

Notice how this administation will place NO blame on criminals, gangs or illegals?

This is their dream act to divide and disarm the people to make them dependent on bigger government.

Never forget:

A governement big enough to give you everything is big enough to take it away.

JFK -- NRA Life Member once said "Although I don't believe we need the Second Amendment to protect US against a tyrannical government. It is a very important Individual Right." The NRA is the oldest CIVIL RIGHTS organization in the nation.

Think about that for a minute?

JFK didn't think we would ever see a tyrannical government in this country again.
But the Founding Father did....
They didn't know when but they knew it would happen.
You are seeing a tyrannical government forming before your very eyes.
That time has returned and Thank GOD our Founding Fathers gave US the tools defend and protect OUR country against ALL enemies foreign & domestic.

BTW, Look up THIS administrations FAILED Operation Fast & Furious that resulted in the death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Disgraceful.

If you had any clue you would protect, defend, respect, appreciate and bequeath your Individual God Given Rights and pass them on to your children and grandchildren as the previous generation did for you.

The Bill of Right protects YOUR GOD - Given Rights from a tyrannical government that would like to take them away. And turn you into subjects instead of citizens. Instead of living in a country based on Freedom that believed in giving the power/authority to the citizens because they didn't trust the government. Not only did they give the power to WE THE PEOPLE they TRUSTED the citizens with the power because they did NOT trust the government. Think about what that means. You are in the ONLY country in the World that WE THE PEOPLE have the Individual Right to protect and defend OUR Families, Community and Country.

Unique Freedoms to any other country in the world that afforded US the ability to accomplish more in 200 + years than the rest of the world since the beginning of time.

And you want to give that away???

The Bill of Rights is like a Fire-Extingusher.

Better to have them and not need it.

Than to need it and not have it.

The 1st and 2A go hand and hand....

But the Second Amendment is the one Amendment that protects ALL the rest.

If your not working to protect our America and the Constitution then YOU are working to destroy it.

It is your turn to pass the torch of Freedom protected by the Bill of Rights to the next generation.

This isn't a pro gun/ anti gun issue. This reminds me of two girls fighting each other over a guy who though was their boyfriend but it turns out the guy was just sleeping with both of them. We shouldn't be fighting each other. We should be turning out attention to the source of the problem. These mass shooters are people who live in their own head, who think they have nothing to live for. So in stead of fading away they feel a need to validate their lives and the best way they see fit is to amass a body count. From their the media turns them into demigods over night. You want to stop mass shootings? Plaster the guy or girls face and name who stopped the mass shooting and treat them like a hero. Let these sociopaths go out the same way they came in. A nobody!

Question for NJ Residents For Action.. How would you protect yourself if a criminal picks you as their next victim and you have no time to call the police?

Please all of you stop hiding behind the Second Amendment. Again, this is not about your 2a rights. Let me give you a real example of what we are talking about and stop the nonsense and clutter. Adam Lanza was 10 years old when the 1994 Assault Ban was allowed to EXPIRE. In the course of 10 years, Adam Lanza's mother was allowed LEGALLY to purchase military-style assault weapons and thousands of rounds of ammunition. Had that assaut ban not expired those beautiful people very likely would be alive today. So stop with the 2a rights. This is about a Federal Assault Ban on military style weapons and ammunition and background checks for all. That is sensible and necessary. You people want to cowardly hide behind the Second Amendment, have fun. But we are moving forward...and the public is on our side.

The horrible truth is without the second ammendment, one day these gun grabbers will have nothing to gaurantee their right to hold their ridiculous protests.

Karen is an exact example of people who are educated by the media and Hollywood . Karen , with all due respect your facts are wrong. They are looking to pass laws that are banning objects that are used in less than 1% of all gun crimes nationwide. Why should this matter to you , that so called "assault weapons" are only 1% of firearms used in a crime? Because this administration can change , and it probably will , quite rapidly , if the economy is not fixed in the next 3 years. Having people who do not know which end of the gun the bullets come out of writing these laws and supporting this laws with such vigor , it is NO different than a bunch of GOP men who neither have or understand the "equipment" making sweeping unjustified laws about women's reproductive health. Making knee jerk laws based on feeling that are not backed up by sheer numbers is a SLIPPERY slope and the next topic on the chopping board because be something that violates the rights of a non gun owner. If I thought ANY of these laws(federal or state) were going to do ANYTHING to keep my 3 school children safe I would supporting them 100%.They fall so far off the track it is pathetic.

you honesty beleive that if the "assault weapons" ban was in place this tragedy wouldn't of happened? I think Adam was clearly disturbed and should of been under constant supervision or institutionalize. That would of prevented the tragedy. I'm fairly confident he used what ever was at his disposal - it happened to be a rifle. It could of been a handgun, a shotgun, a bomb, arson , anything. If we really care about the safety of our kids (and I have 2) lets address these mental health issues. Mental health treatment is not locking a child in the basement to play video games. Lets have our children protected with trained armed professionals - no one seems to have a problem with armed guards in airports, Air Marshals on planes, armed guards at sports events, etc. why not at a school. Lanza chose a school because it was an easy target. Lets not make schools easy targets.

(Cont) These weapons are not military style - no military in their right mind would use these weapons. But I should have the right to defend my home with them. Look at the Plainfield riots in the 60's, post Katrina New Orleans, la riots- all of these examples are good examples of why I may chose to have a semi automatic rifle in my home. I respect your right to disagree with me but please don't disrespect my right. As far as the public being behind your view , we live in a republic protected by a constitution. If Publiic opinion ruled the day, we may still have slavery, segregation, women without voting rights etc. the USA is not mob rule. I hope you can understand my point of view.

Nathan Ale, sorry but how many of those 8000 incidents where with legal handguns by law-abiding citizens? I beg to differ with your opinion.

I would just like to say that, although I wish we did not have to fight so hard to retain the shreds of what passes for the 2A in NJ, I am very proud to be on your side, guys (and gals - Dee ; ) I just read through the thread this morning and we are an educated, honorable, patriotic group of people. The arguments from the other side are shrill, emotional, and baseless. Thank you all for standing up and speaking out.

LC agree 100%, on that note I am willing to sit down with any of you and discuss issues as we see them and will even go so far as to take you to a range and provide you with some reality and education.....

Arguments that sensible people against gun violence are Not baseless: Everyday33 people are murdered with guns-The Fix Gun Checks Act would help prevent future shootings by req. the BG check system contains the records of people already pro. by current law. BGC REFORMS do nothing to interfere with the ever-so precious, outdated 2nd Amm. b/t 40-48% of guns are sold by unlicensed.Private Sellers/gun buyers exploit vast private sale loophole by seeking out these private sellers online & at gun shows, yes,we know that G. shows don't take place in our beloved NJ.The irrelevant & uninformed protesters yesterday should become informed, about the WHY&WHO they were attempting to embarrass or intimidate w/dopey chants & nasty remarks.Come&join us in our mission for common-sense reform of our gun laws &fixing our nation's broken BG check system.

Other important and highly researched FACTS:
2007 - Seung-Hui Cho Killed 32 VA Tech students, faculty and wounded 25 others - deadliest mass shooting by a single gunman in US history. He used a Weather P22 semi-automatic purchased from www.thegunsource.com, owned by TBSCOM. Brett, Cho did pass the state and fed. BG checks because records of his severe mental illness had never been sent to the NICS database. Even the president of TGSCOM, Eric Thompson, agreed Cho should not have been able to pass a BG check. Cho also brought at least 5 ammunition clips on eBay. Bullets & ammo magazines are NOT subject to BG checks under federal law.

LKB as stated before... he used 10 round magazines and pistols.. which are semiautomatic... none of which you are targeting... lol if all yoir laws were passed none would effect thay

LKB There is not a single legal firearm owner or supporter of the what the "outdated", 2nd amendment; as you put it, who doesnt join you in the idea that tragedy and mayhem is unacceptable. Fact I lived VA Tech twice with my family who was right there. Cho slipped through the cracks, or is it the story we are told? If he aimed to carry out his mission and couldn't get a gun, could he have used some other means to an end? Of course!! Salesman broke the law- punish him to the maximum possible sentence under current law, current law not enough make the penalty stronger, again close the revolving penal system door.... lets make some real strides at taking better care of the mentally ill as well, ----- is there a single proposal looking to do these things? No, lets blame the inanimate object, lets fall for all the gun grabbing, knee jerk propaganda put out by certain political parties aimed at making society dependent upon government...... I would much rather take responsibility for the safety and livelihood of mine and others than be forced to rely upon a government official---

oh and there is no such thing as a clip when referring to firearms in common use by common citizens today..... your lack of knowledge beams through

LKB- about the background checks in OTHER states and the Federal check having good and consolidated info?Yes,I agree.People like the VT shooter and the Aurora shooter should not have purchased firearms legally the way they did.They were under psychiatric care,the psychiatrists knew they were potentially dangerous.People around them knew they had issues.They would not have purchased ANY weapons in NJ.Which is why many of us NJ gun owners feel slapped in the face with new proposed restrictions that have NOTHING to do with the task at hand.Task being - preventing what happened in CT from happening anywhere again.If you take an ubiased scientific look at each mass shooting you will see that the amount of casualties is directly related to how long it takes police or somebody with a gun to arrive to stop them.Also , active shooter response plans.What happens in a school when someone attacks? The more intuitive the response /plan is , and the quicker first responders arrive,the less people are killed. I can't believe nobody sees that all these crimes occur in gun free zones. Added GFZs in NJ is just dumb. No citizens are allowed to conceal carry ,criminals are already breaking the law while carrying,what makes anyone think that criminal will stay away from gun free zones?Does anyone think a mass shooter who knows he is going to kill himself after killing other cares about GFZs? Actually,they know GFZs will afford them more time to kill before being interrupted by any heroes.

Missing the point, Gun Violence is a real epidemic here in our county. Fortunately NJ has tough state laws, but so many states don't. 8 KIDS die every 3 hours from gun deaths - do we continue to sit back and do nothing? 20 small defenseless children died in Newtown, how many babies, kids, woman, sons, daughters, men, woman have to die? What I would really love is for anyone who has commented in a negative manner to our peaceful rally yesterday to actually meet with a parent of one of those children in Newtown and look them in the eye and tell them, GUNS don't kill. Bottom line, this country is out of control with their amount guns and the beliefs as to why many Americans feel this need to have so many guns, so many bullets and no proper way to maintain public safety as it relates to gun deaths. The American gun-loving public has taken advantage, twisted the 2nd ammendment and now, yes, it's taken 20 small children to wake this country up out of this gun-loving fantasy and bring the gun-lovers of this country back to reality - GUNS do KILL. People are more important than your Guns. The gov't isn't swooping down to take back your weapons. We do live in a peaceful civilized country. We have trained police officers to handle violence, etc. We live in a peaceful nation, yet we have more guns per capita than any other industrialized country in the world. We rank #1 with owning more guns per resident than any other nation in the world - INSANE!!!ENOUGH is ENOUGH

CRIMINALS AND MENTALLY ILL ARE TO BLAME__ NO NEW LAW WILL CHANGE THAT---- all you are doing is giving them an open playing field!!!!! STOP bleeding the children of Sandy Hook dry---what about the hundreds of Chicago kids killed each year, DC and other areas where the public cant carry--- Newark, Camden, etc-----how many NJFID holders had anything to do with any of those crimes? zero fact go check it---- proven fact---- where the public is allowed to conceal carry firearms crime rates are lower than where not---why the criminal and nut jobs have no idea who might be there to stop him in his tracks....... I'm am also willing to bet money some of the people in your circle you would never think own firearms, do--- stop sounding like the general public wants to strap one on and march down the street firing at ever jerk who looks at him funny----- Concealed Carry Holders are more responsible than others--- they are not about to do anything that would cause them to loose that right---- yup felons no rights! Study the facts they are plenty out there!

HL, why is NJ firearm death rate ranked so low as compared to other states like Ohio & VA where you can carry concealed weapons? Seriously you should be checking your facts if you are going to make a lame attempt at why your Guns don't kill people, why your guns are more important than people. tough laws do make a difference, yours lame agruements aren't holding much weight anymore, sorry if this angers you - hopefully you won't use a gun to channel your anger - the way so many gun owners do.

LBK - your fixation on firearms is interesting. I think it doesn't address the issue. If it did Chicago would be the safest place in the world or even Mexico which has a country wife ban on firearms. Lets pass laws that put criminals that comit crimes behind bars for a long time. Lets pass laws that instutuionalize mentally Ill people that have the propensity for violence. I'm sorry you hate the 2nd amendment. The fact is it exists and it's a right we have. It already is limited in many many ways. I wonder where you stand on abortion... Which by the way is not in the constitution or bill of rights...

You just proved the point that no new gun laws are needed in NJ! Thank you for agreeing. Case closed. Let's MOVE ON.

Lets work on mental health, gangs, drugs, recidivism due to lax judiciary and lack of programs, breakdown of hard work, respect, and the family breakdown. Lot's of work to do with just the last one. Lying and dishonesty is a big one, especially prevalent. It is unbelievable that Karen and her comrades don't take the time to listen to others with a differing viewpoint....kinda like Obama, Soros, Putin. My way or the highway mentality. Don't confuse my EMOTIONS with facts, right? I say respect the US Constitution/2nd Amendment or get a one way plane ticket to Western Europe. Remember your US history? Remember why the Colonies broke away from England and people fled Europe? Remember why your fathers fought in WWII?

Guns kill, people using the guns kill. We will never agree, but thankfully that's what our elected politicians are for. I take comfort in that especially since the republican party seems to be losing their power slowly, a little bit each day.

Karen I emailed you for which you have yet to respond... we can avoid all this arguing.. I would to arrange a conversation where you can talk to me about your views. I feel there is a lack of eduxation on your part and hell lets even say there is one for mine... So please the email I sent you.. I encourage you to accept.

Brad thanks had to get some work done or would have answered LKB sooner......

LBK - I noticed no reponse in the abortion comment. Figured as much

LKB same offer as to Karen, willing to sit and chat or go on a field trip to the range of your choice for an education in things you know not of what you speak.... better yet just for the hell of it go apply for a NJ FID,.... you will wake up real quick!

typical you would say "misleading stat", is that your way of accepting ignorance as your platform? More reason why supporters of reducing gun violence will win this battle. We are informed. We are intelligent. We say "enough is enough" to your ignorance and fear-mongering. We will win eventually because fortunately more Americans are advocating for change than remaining stuck in the past.

LKB , according to the FBI stats for murder..you are , once again , wrong. Look at Virginia...LESS than NJ. Vermont - most lenient - MUCH LESS. Look at Illinois..look at the real numbers from a credible source rather than googling "far left opinions on guns" . California who has the toughest laws , had the most gun related murders. Really , enough with media fueled erroneous stats . The numbers are all over the place , REGARDLESS of how strict their gun laws are. It is about inner city crime and who has the most of it. If we got rid of that aspect we would have the same single digit firearm deaths per year other countries have.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

I'm actually a really good person, loyal and passionate. My passion for peace, less violence and fewer murders in the world will never stop no matter how much anyone makes an argument for why "guns are good" or why people need to have so many guns, or why people need to have high capacity magazines, - I just don't believe in it. So many Senseless deaths, so many senseless comments. My freedom to think, my choice. Just remember this Brad, "The world is not threatened by bad people, but by those who allow evil.
Albert Einstein

oh what a sad day it will be for some when then drones are overhead and the libs' messiah gives them that last glass of kool-aid before marching them into the ovens...

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration! Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future." --Adolf Hitler, 1935 Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence.... From the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable.... The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good... A free people ought to be armed." - George Washington I have yet to hear anyone afflicted with the "gun control" disability dial 9-1-1 and specify, "Now please be sure to send the kind of cops who are disarmed. If you can't do that, we'd rather you not send anyone at all to stop the men who are holding my daughter at knifepoint, because in this household we don't believe that guns ever solve anything." - Vin Suprynowicz, writer With guns in the hands of the public, sure there will be tragedies, but without them there will be genocides. Unknown source

those who allow evil are the very ones who aim to restrict those who are willing to fight against it.............

LKB... Karen.. No one said you are a bad person. No one said you wanna take guns away, but the regulations you are supporting DO want to take guns away. They want to specifically strip me and 1 million other gun owners like me of the rights that I currently have. My standard PX4 I purchased will have illegal magazines that came with it because of possible legislation that is IN THE WORKS.. My wife who was in the military during the war is most likely on the terrorist watch list.. and now will be unable to own a firearm. Thank you so much for supporting our rights and protecting us from the murders THAT NEVER HAPPEN.

Newtown conneticut was the rarest kind of mass shooting of its time. Since then, and before never has one been quite like it.. so now we need to do a whole more in changing our gun laws? With more people dieing to handguns, specificly how are you expecting to save lives at all?

I pity anyone who expected to have the freedom to express our 2nd amendment rights for rights you felt were in danger by law abiding NJerians...

My offer to debate our philophies to go to a gun range, to EDUCATE YOU ON WHAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND still stands. I will email you my phone number if it helps.

"The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes”

and yes I know its never been proven he said it-----

Dear NJ Residents for Gun Action: I believe in the Constitution, and therefore I believe in your right to say what you are saying. I vehemently disagree with you, but will defend your right to say it.

Karen......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLrAbG9HtwM listen to the felon at about 2:50

Marc -- you mean that . You'd be willing to DIE for my right to free speech ?
Wow -- hmmmm

The Second Amendment is the ONE Right that PROTECTS ALL the others.

The 2A protects all the others from a tyrannical over-reaching government that wants to take them away.

That is why you have them in the First place.

The First Amendment puts them in writing.
And the Second Amendment protects the First.
The First and Second Amendment go hand-in-hand.

Treat them with respect and pass them down to the next generation as the previous generations did for you!

If you really want to solve the problems in America.

Focus more on following the Ten Commandments and the Bill of Rights.

“Without tort liability, there’s no incentive to make guns safer,” Crownover said. “Congress enables makers and sellers of guns.” ------what exactly should the industry do to make guns safer.... remove the triggers??? wth is that comment ---

Do gun laws work? Because strong gun laws are clearly associated with lower death rates, legislators should work to save lives in their communities by enacting smart gun laws.
http://smartgunlaws.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/gunlawsanddeathrates4.jpg

This administration will place NO blame on criminals, gangs, illegals or themselves.

That is their biggest voting bloc....

I want to see the gun control advocates that are doing the dirty work for eric holder, corzine, jessie jackson jr and menendez (all with a long gun grabbing record like pelosi, bloomberg and obama) have one of their gun ban demonstrations in Newark, Camden or Trenton at 2:00 a.m. in the morning. No police and no guns to protect themselves with. Like to see them put their $ where ther mouth is....

The laws are very strict on obtaining a gun license.
There is local access to the outside gun range on Sundays for practice and I heard
also on on Tooker Avenue somewhere???????

As you all may know, the Senate voted down the first group of anti-constitution, people control bills yesterday, including the illegal gun registration scheme posing as the Trojan Horse called the Expanded Background Check. The "assault" gun ban failed also likely because there is no such thing. These devious people tried to make the MSR or modern sporting rifle, which is among the most popular rifle sold today, illegal, but failed.