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Bag Bill Will Reduce Waste by Encouraging Reusable Bags

Each year over 2.5 million tons of plastic and paper bags end up in our oceans and landfills. Less than three percent of plastic bags and twenty percent of paper bags are recycled. Now the Legislature is moving forward with important legislation to combat this pollution problem by providing incentives to use reusable bags.

The "Carryout Bag Reduction and Recycling Act" encourages retailers to offer a 5 cent rebate to customers who bring their own bags, promoting increased recycling.  The bill would impose a fee of 5 cents for every paper or plastic bag used, penalizing those who pollute. 

The money raised from the fee goes towards protecting Barnegat Bay.  This bill could generate as much as $20 million a year to retrofit stormwater basins and clean up the Bay, which is especially important following Hurricane Sandy.

Consumers pay $18-30 per person in hidden costs to cover the cost of “free” bags provided by retailers.  This bill will help reduce those costs while cutting back our waste stream and use of fossil fuel products, better protecting our environment and wildlife, and raising funds to clean up Barnegat Bay.

In 2011 plastic and paper bags ranked in the top ten for trash picked up during the Ocean Conservancy’s Coastal Cleanup.

Plastic bags are not only an eye sore, but can cause devastating impacts to marine life.  Research has found 100,000 marine animals and 1 million birds die each year from plastics, whether it is ingestion or entanglement. When marine animals ingest these plastics they can enter the food chain putting human health at risk because of the toxins in the plastic.

Plastic bags also affect water quality by clogging storm drains and filling up detention basins.  The plastic as it breaks down creates a thin film that coats detention basins and seepage pits and prevents the stormwater from absorbing back into the ground, creating more flooding.  They pollute our beaches, parks, and roadways or sit in our landfills where it takes up to 1000 years for the bags to break down.   

The production of plastic bag requires both petroleum and natural gas byproducts. With soaring gas prices and the dangers of fracking this “use once and toss it” approach is not worth the resources it takes to produce, especially when the United States is estimated to go through close to 100 billion plastic bags a year. 

About 35% of landfill waste is comprised of paper products, including paper bags.  14 million trees are cut down each year to make paper bags.  The manufacturing of paper bags still requires some virgin pulp, which has stronger fibers, and bags can only be recycled 5-6 times before the fibers become too weak. 

This waste increases our property taxes. It costs between $65-$125 a ton to place garbage in the landfill.  We export 1.8 million tons of waste to other states each year, along with the air pollution from 100,000 trucks.  New Jersey is the number 2 waste exporter in the country, using our tax money to export that trash each year.  Reducing the amount of waste we produce is good for the environment and our wallets by helping to stabilize or lower property taxes.

The industry and retailers says they recycle the bags but undercover reports have found many of them just get thrown out.  Even when the bags are reused to carry lunches or to line household garbage pails they still end up in our landfills eventually.

Many people in urban areas tend to walk to stores and already bring along backpacks, reusable bags, and carts when they shop.  This bill will help them save money with a rebate for bringing those bags.

In San Francisco plastic bag use was reduced by 78% after a fee was instituted.  Washington DC saw a 60% reduction of plastic bag litter in the Anacostia River following the implementation of a 5 cent fee.  Plastic bag usage there dropped from 22.5 million a month to 3 million after the fee came into effect.  Ireland’s bag ban fee reduced plastic bag usage by 90% in the first year and raised over $18 million.  In the United States, 61 cities have banned or put a fee on non-reusable bags.  Hawaii’s three counties have banned plastic bags, creating a statewide ban and 14 states have pending legislation on plastic and paper bags. 

New Jersey has a long history of being a national leader on environmental issues and must step up again on plastic and paper bag pollution.  We need the Legislature to pass and the Governor to sign the "Carryout Bag Reduction and Recycling Act" as quickly as possible to encourage the use of reusable bags and reduce our waste stream. 

Melissa Neczesny

8:17 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Im all for reducing waste but I have two dogs and use the plastic bags to pick up after them. Is there an alternative to this for picking up after your dogs?

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Local

9:29 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Good alternative - those little blue, biodegradable bags sold at pet supply stores just for dog waste.

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Angelo

12:22 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Invest in flushable bags (http://flushpuppies.com/ or something similar). Dog waste should actually never be put into the trash or left on the ground becuse it is a pollutant and finds it's way into our water bodies if disposed of on the ground or in the trash. Dog waste is just like human waste and should go into the toilet. Flushable bags are the most responsible choice.

Mary Crawford

9:31 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Great article Jeff. We are a coastal state with many rivers and streams. We have to take responsibility for our actions and protect our environment. Clearly the amount of plastic that ends up along our roads and in our waterways and oceans shows us that actions must be taken. Similar legislation has proven that this actions works. Using a plastic bag for all of the 10 minutes that it takes to drive home then throwing it away to last for centuries in a land-fill makes no sense. Please email your state legislators to suppor this bill.

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agent itchy

9:38 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

Everyday I see people walking their dogs without any dog-waste option. Last Sunday, I watched two people playing with their dogs on the tennis courts at Wood Park. Hello! tennis courts aren't for your dogs to pee and poop! I watched another guy in the park stand idle while his little white dog dumped in the park (near Footlighters). He just left it there. DISGUSTING!

My favorite choice for doggie waste is a child's pail and shovel (the kind toddlers play with at the beach). When you get home, you can just dump the waste in the trash. A dog's poop shouldn't be packaged in plastic for a 1,000 years.

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Jenny Castro

10:39 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

These dog people and enviromentalists are nuts. I would rather listen the the dead beats crying about not getting any freebies from the government for a silly storm. At least the 9/11 whiners are almost gone. No wonder why this country is going down hill so fast.

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Joe R

1:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

This ranks as one of the most ignorant, callous and vicious comments that I have ever read on the Patch. Sandy was a silly storm??? Do you have any feeling at all for the suffering of your fellow humans, do you have any trace of human empathy at all? 9/11 whiners?? What a heartless comment. Sandy was one of the worst natural disasters to strike NJ and NY in decades, not a silly storm. No one needs to be reminded of the horrors of 9/11. How anyone can say 9/11 whiners is beyond me.

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VoiceofReason

1:47 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I agree and disagree with this - I get that 9/11 was awful etc. but it's time to let go and move on with life. We need to stop constantly dwelling on it with the reading of the names every damn year. They do whine. It's getting old. Whats done is done at this point and we can only move forward. I agree with the bags issue - they are wasteful and harmful. And unfortunately there are a lot of undeserving people crying about not getting freebies from the storm which is only causing hurt for those who actually need the help. In this ignorant world in which we live in, people are shallow and always looking for a hand out. It's pathetic.

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marylou

2:24 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

So,what do you line your wastebaskets and trash pails with?I resuse the ones my groceries are bagged in.Do you take a reusable grocery bag to the store and fill it with wastbasket liners,tall kitchen can bags,and bags to line your ourside trash can?Where's the logic?Plastic is plastic.If it's so bad,ban all plastic bags,not just the ones store use to bag groceries.

Phil

10:46 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

The only thing I use plastic bags for is to put the meat, poultry, and the like in. I would never put them in a those reusable bags. Will we get fined if we put our veggies in the plastic bags too? Where does it end?

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marylou

4:16 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Phil,I agree,If the plastic grocery bags are "bad",so are the ones that are used for loose fruit and vegetables in the prodeuce aisle.And why stop there?Those bags used to prebag potatoes,aranges and apples are "bad",too!
Costco doesn't give any bags to tote purchases home in,but many of the items they sell are too big to be bagged anyhow.However,they do have free plastic bags at the meat cases to wrap meat packages in.Are we going to be charged for those as well?
Having stood behind people who use those reusable bags in supermarkets,I can tell hyou that they don't clean them at all.They stink!

grill master

11:35 am on Friday, January 11, 2013

This guy is a tool. Which is it? Will the fee line the pockets of politicians or will it keep the bags out of the streams? You flip-flop back and fourth.
I love these "green" tree hugger-nut jobs...i would love to know the criteria they use to determine what is bad and good for the environment.
So tell me this Jeff, what does this website that you posted your fancy article operate off of? Magic? ...No it's that bad green house gas creating electricity, generated from the power plant that gets transmitted over power lines that you want to ban from expanding in your last article. Did you post it using a telegraph machine? No it was probably a computer, made with plastic and other polluting materials that end up in landfills by the millions every year...

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VoiceofReason

1:49 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

This article isn't talking about the broad spectrum of plastics and chemicals. It's referring to the bags. Look around - I'm sure you'll see at least 5 littered bags either tangled in a tree, in a drain, floating in the bay or on the highway, which I'm sure you swerve around as to NOT have it get caught on your exhaust pipe. face it - they are not environmentally friendly.

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marylou

2:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Voiceof Reason,some to my neighborhood.You won't see many plastic bags stuck in bushes,but you will see soda bottle,styrofaom coffee cups,food wrapping,and cigarette packs.How about banning all of that as well?How about banning the plastic bags people people buy to dispose of their garbage?Plastic is plastic.

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mtwnres

2:37 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Is it the bag isn't environmentally friendly, or the idiot that threw it on the ground rather then in trash can ?

Why don't all you lazy dog owners just teach your dirty mutts to crap in a toilet ?
Problem solved.

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Frankie DaShermbut

7:29 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

lol lol do you really think Jcp&L wants everyone to have solar on their roof?

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KC

12:22 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

so why don't we go back to paper bags? Does anyone know?

agent itchy

1:04 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

grill master, by your logic why not just burn our trash in our fireplaces to stay warm?

please accept that some of us tree huggers enjoy clean air and water. the disposable plastic bag was never used by your grandparents. they did just fine without creating trash just to carry groceries.

and to Jenny Castro, i lost several friends in the WTC on 9/11. you really need to keep your ignorant and hateful comments to yourself.

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Jenny Castro

3:01 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

and to agent itchy (a) my comments are not ignorant or hateful they are spot on and if you dont like the fact we have have the freedom of speech here why dont you move to iraq with the hijabis that killed your friends.

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Porterincollingswood

3:13 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

So you have the right to challenge him but he has no right to challenge you.

Wow. Nice to be you. I imagine you win a lot of arguments that way, sway a lot of people. And I know people that did go to Iraq. Because of 9/11. Should they have just gotten over it too?

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Frankie DaShermbut

7:31 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

Id like to see Jenny move to a third world country oh like Texas
Wonder if members of Jennys family were killed if shed feel the same

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fed up

2:25 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

As far as the grandparents thing. They did burn the trash back then.

Joe

1:05 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

These "green" environmentalists are goofy. We all don't live in thier fantacy world. We have real lives and could care less if our dog poops on your lawn. Get over it, dogs have been pooping on the ground for hundreds of years without any known problems until you forced people to carry it away. What's next, teach wild animals to use a spot-a-pot? There is no end to these idiots.

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agent itchy

2:54 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Google: concentrations of pathogens and indicators in Animal Feces in the waterways.

Pet waste & fertilizer are two leading causes of poor water in New Jersey. Don't believe me? Read a science book

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Frankie DaShermbut

7:33 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

Porter

Bush lied about Iraq ask Colin Powell

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Frankie DaShermbut

7:34 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

Hey JOe

if your dog pooped on my lawn youd be wearing it

John Hayes

1:24 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I don't care for plastic bags, but do we seriously need the state of New Jersey getting into the bag material enforcement business? Can't we leave that to Mayor Bloomberg?

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Laura

4:56 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

You do know there was a time when we didn't have plastic bags to tote our groceries in, don't you? Paper bags worked quite well. An added benefit: they are biodegradable unlike plastic that will still be around 1,000 years from now.

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fed up

2:34 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

I agree, I also think we could put some of these welfare state dopey libs to work by having them comb all the wooded areas to pick up all of the droppings left by deer,squrriels,racoons,fox,skunks,chipmunks, mice........ priceless.

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fed up

9:17 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

OK but the bags can no longer exceed 16 ounces.

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Laura

11:24 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Fed up,
I think we could then send all the conservatives over to the middle east to fight all those wars they love so much. It would save this country sooo much money, if they would volunteer to take their bushmaster's overseas.

Stan Walker

2:03 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Once again this morning I was stuck behind one of those yellow school buses spewing visible diesel exhaust smoke and noxious fumes. When do you plan to express concern about that? Don't you care about "the children"?

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KC

12:25 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

lol youre kidding right?

life time resident

2:05 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

There's no question that plastic disposal/recycling in general is a huge problem. "The bill would impose a fee of 5 cents for every paper or plastic bag used, penalizing those who pollute." The issue here is that It would also penalize those that don't.

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Porterincollingswood

2:12 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

That quote is not really accurate as you are presenting it. The point is that plastic bags are inherently a pollutant that is difficult to control (they blow out of the trash cans, trash trucks, cars, etc. even of responsible people). In addition, they are easily replaced with better and cheaper products that don't pollute (as opposed to retrofitting a school bus fleet).

They want you to use the reusable bags. So you can avoid the penalty. Keep in mind that plastic bags, a petroleum product, become more expensive every year. So there's that too.

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marylou

2:33 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Porter,I live on a corener lot,near a convenience store,a deli,and a Duncan Donuts.For some reason,the people who patronize these placces feel the need to dispose of their garbage on my property or in the street.Ny husband and I pick up soda bottles,paper and plastic food wrappers,coffee cups,cigarette packs,but rarely a plastic bag.How about charging for coffee cups and food containers as well as plastic bags.We could all bring our own cups to DD adn reusable food containers to the delis and convenience stores.
And those reusable bags stink and are probably a heath hazard if they aren't washed and/or sanitizied after being used to carry meat,fish,and milk.That requires hot water,detergents and bleach.We have a limigted supply of fresh,clean water,And bleach and detergents are pollunants.

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Porterincollingswood

2:49 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

marylou, I can't speak for your specific area. But again, this isn't about the people polluting, it is about the inherent flaw in the product that makes it a pollutant. And the fact that a safer and equally effective product is available.

But you raise great points. Reusable bags need to be cleaned out after use. You can't carry home meat and eggs and then bring them back next time for apples without cleaning. So education is needed.

As important to me is this - markets need to better accommodate those using them. Nothing like being stuck behind the person with 12 reusable bags. Takes forever. That needs to be dealt with. That's a bigger issue for me than the pennies involved.

I'm not saying you cant use the plastic bags. Have at it. 90% of the time I will. But don't whine about paying the nickel.

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VoiceofReason

2:50 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

I'm sorry but -
" charging for coffee cups and food containers "
They already charge for things like its hidden in the cost

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marylou

3:07 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

VoiceofReason,and grocery bags are not a hidden cost?Don't wait for the prices in Pathmark,Shoprite,and Foodtown to go down when they start charging for bags.
Porter,it's no some much about paying a nickle or even a penny,if it makes sense,It doesn't Paying for them doesn't make them any better..Ban them instead of charging if they are so bad for the environment.And I mean all of them,not just the ones the stores uses to bag groceries.Ban the Hefty bags,Glad Bags,etc.Industry will have to come out with something better.

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Porterincollingswood

3:21 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Marylou, I admire your 'all or nothing' position - but getting rid of all forms of plastic bags across the board is not necessaily practical (although it is possible). So you get rid of the ones that are easiest to replace while causing the least amount of hassle. At this point, that's grocery bags. It's a start.

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Anthony T.

6:44 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

"Don't wait for the prices in Pathmark,Shoprite,and Foodtown to go down when they start charging for bags."

Exactly, now it's a hidden cost passed to the customer, and after this law passes it's just more profit for those markets. The 5c each is likely what those bags cost to produce, so they'll be covered.

Porterincollingswood

2:39 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

No offense, but c'mon people. Some of you will spend the next month whining about being asked to pay 5 cents for a plastic bag. Or having to deal with a Comcast customer services rep from India. Or any one of the trivial nonsense that comes down the pike.

And yet, in the same breath, you'll accuse 9/11 victims of whining about nothing.

Some of you no sense of shame or decency.

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marylou

2:50 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Porter,what difference does it make if a plastic bag in a landfill is a grocery bag or a Hefty bag?Either ban them all or ban none! Those reuseable canvas bags have to be washed in hot water and dried in a clothes dryer,all of which uses energy and required chemicals that pollute.The vinyl ones have to be sanitized with bleach or other agent that kills germs,which allow pollutes.

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Jenny Castro

3:06 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Look at that insane memorial and tax payer funded mess they built down there - gee lts pay a bunch of lifetime cronies of politicains $300K per year to run a silly memorial. Get over it. Maybe they can just bulldoze the shore and build a superstorm sandy memorial. where did they come up with that superstorm nonsense anyway. The cows are causing global warming with all the burping and farting anyway.

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Porterincollingswood

3:26 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

That 'silly memorial' and the Freedom Tower will generate more tax revenue in 5 minutes than you've paid your whole life. Beat it.

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life time resident

12:24 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013

Porter, I think you missed my point entirely. I already pay for these costs, everytime I but a product from any store no matter if it gets bagged or not. Why should I have to pay additional money (besides the built in cost or my taxes) the make up for those that are irresponsible. As long as those bags are available they will continue to end up as pollutants for the very reasons you have stated, and creating a surcharge isn't going to change that. It's really pretty simple, ban them and there won't be an issue (not with the bags anyway). If people were only able to receive a paper bag, they could easily recycle them and those that end up in landfil will decompose in a year or less.

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Porterincollingswood

5:01 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

LTR, it's not designed to punish individual people who pollute, it's penalizing use of the product. Like taxes on cigarettes or the proposed taxes on soda.

Your product is a chronic pollutant that puts a strain on public sanitation...then pay for that. Your product causes lung cancer or obesity that other insured taxpayers need to pay for...then pay for that.

The author used a poor choice of words that suggests another motive is behind the law. The quote you cite is from the author's story on the bill, not the bill itself.

If you want to move to paper-bag only, I'm on board. But you'll pay for that too, in the form of slightly higher grocery prices.

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Porterincollingswood

5:03 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

And the lobbying power of the retailers, already squeezed in terms of margins (see ACME sale) will preclude a ban on plastic bags. That's why the pressure is being introduced on the consumer side. If you can't ban it, make it a less attractive choice.

Jenny Castro

3:07 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

This guy titel may be a tool but he certainly gets people fired up. He should join the wwe.

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Ric

3:12 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Reusable bags are a splendid way to spread life-threatening containments spilt from the previous groceries in your reusable bag to the new groceries in the same bag. Jeff obviously does not care if people get sick or died from salmonella by using contaminated bags.

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agent itchy

3:23 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Ric, I've been using reusable bags for more than six years with no illness. Do you clean your refrigerator? Same for bags; if your raw chicken is leaving contaminants behind than yes, clean your bag.

Be part of the solution, not part of the pollution

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Porterincollingswood

3:29 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Ric - your kitchen counter does the same if you don't wash it. So just wash it. And if you don't want to...pay the nickel.

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Ric

4:01 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

You cannot see every type of containments left behind in the reusable bag from each use. The only safe way to use a reusable bag is to wash it after each use. But the energy and water you use to clean a disposable bag does more damage to the environment than from a simple plastic bag. Chicken is not the only source of containments; do you recall the spinach deaths? Reusable bags harm the environment more than plastic bags which can be recycled at ShopRite. . I use plastic bags as I want to protect the environment AND not jeopardize the health of my family like I would with reusable bags.

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mtwnres

4:00 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

The "dirty bag" argument is really weak.
Unless you wash down your counters, cabinets (where you store food products) and inside your fridge after everytime you shop, your spreading those same contaminents all over your kitchen.

Joe R

3:28 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

What insane memorial are you talking about? The memorials to our fallen soldiers? I guess we should just get over all the troops who gave their lives in WWI, WW2, Korea, Vietnam and all the recent wars. Stop having yearly events honoring our fallen soldiers, get over it, it's getting old??!! Are you suggesting we should forget 9/11, one of the worst attacks on US soil and we should forget the thousands of people who lost their lives in the most horrible way? What kind of human being are you, you are horrifying.

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Porterincollingswood

3:32 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Jenny thinks its silly that people just couldn't get over Pearl Harbor and had to start a war over it. And then, to add insult to injury, they built a memorial (probably at tax payer expense) over the USS Arizona. The gall.

And this my friends, is why the government often treats you like children. Because a lot of you are just that.

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KC

12:29 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Joe, she just does it to get attention - saying inflammatory things. I just flagged her so we will see. Don't let it upset you.

marylou

3:46 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

IMO,it will be nothing but another "feel good" law.All of you reuseable bag toters thin you are doing something great,but in reality,you're not.You have to use pollutants to wash those fabric bags,as well as hot water,which uses energy to heat.Those who use vinyl bags have to sanitize them with bleach or some other chemical that's bad for the environment.And you tote your assortment of plastic bags to throw out household waste home in those reusable bags.Ironic,at best.I do my part for the environment,too.I air dry my laundry in warmer whether. I compost some food scraps.I recycle and reuse everything that i can.But,this is stupid!

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Ric

4:24 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Marylou, you are exactly right. By the way, I wonder how many of the "reusable bag totters" decked their houses with string after string of Christmas lights. If their homes aren't solar powered then their lights are damaging the environment. Anyhow, it is now chic to carry on about plastic bags.

Joe R

3:47 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

People are complaining about having to periodically clean reusable bags. You do clean plates, dishes, pots, pans and utensils after use? The cutting board has to be periodically cleaned as well as the counter top. Chicken is so toxic, so polluted that you practically have to wear a hazmat suit while handling raw chicken meat.

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marylou

3:47 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

Nothing says class as much as a yellow Shoprite bag lining your wastebasket.

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Porterincollingswood

4:17 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013

With the red type lettering? That's sweet!

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KC

12:30 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Not nearly as tacky as the old Cost Cutters yellow.

GTWatchdawg

3:46 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Stores only seem to put 2-3 items in those plastic bags most times. Paper bags use to get filled to the max and hold up so much better.
I also remember the brown paper bags being a much better school book cover than the ones we would pay for, which was recycling before it's time, back in the day.

Acme in Philly just recently bought back the paper bags with handles.
Isn't paper more recyclable than plastic? Just a thought.

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Project Bluebeam

5:23 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Plastic bags are necessary to protect your groceries from cross-contamination. The debate is over, the science is settled.

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Frankie DaShermbut

7:41 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

you dont believe in science remember

hard working sucker

5:41 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

work in a supermarket. have to put my hands in the disgusting cloth bags that people bring in. i actually asked someone to wash their bags the next time they came in and almost lost my job because this person lived in a mcmansion and thought they were all that. it must have been maid's day off. plastic bags do pollute, but people should be held responsible for their actions and possibly recycle them (every grocery store has a recycle bin) by the way, you should see what's left in these bags! no immediate solution to this problem except good old fashioned "responsibility"

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mtwnres

5:10 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Yeah, it must be terrible. You have to put your sparkly clean hands that have been handling dirty money and dirty products all day long into a dirty bag.
Oh the, humantiy

Resident of Lacey

6:12 pm on Sunday, January 13, 2013

Hummm, let's go with paper bags... we can then leave a bag of burning dog crap on Jenny Castro's front doorstep at the motel and she can just get over it!

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Eleanor

5:46 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

A generation ago it was the 'save the trees' movement that pushed plastic bags and tried to get everyone to stop using paper bags and go to plastic. There were all kinds of ads about deforestation and animals deprived of their habitat. It was one reason artificial Christmas trees took off in a big way.
So one more time, we are having our habits dictated to us by the environmental movement.
People use plastic bags as a cheap alternative - they are good for picking up after your dogs (to flush or not to flush is another matter). They are good for covering shoes and cosmetic travel bags in a suitcase and for wet bathing suits and towels when coming back from the pool or beach. They make good wastebasket liners and car trash bags. As someone else said, they are the best way to prevent cross contamination in grocery items, like keeping chicken and fish from produce and dairy.
A while back when the ethanol movement was hot part of the push was that the residue like corn husks and cobs could be used to make plant based biodegradable 'plastic' bags. What ever happened to that? It seems like a good idea to use plant by products to make a product that a lot of people use for a lot of different things - and that way we can still save the trees.

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Frankie DaShermbut

7:44 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

solar panels and no electric bills for all!

jerseyswamps

7:03 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

Save trees and plastic bags by stopping the delivery of those unwanted, un-asked for, unread "newspapers" speeding cars throw out their windows at our driveways. There has to be a way to stop these things. They end up in the gutter and if you do not pick up the soaked pile of advertisements it gets washed down the storm drains.

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Martin

7:46 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

Just call the publisher of those throwaways and give them your address. They are required to stop tossing them onto private property. End of problem.

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Porterincollingswood

7:56 am on Monday, January 14, 2013

Martin, how exactly do you do that? We're talking the CVS and Walgreen's ones, right?

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jerseyswamps

5:35 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013

Martin,
I was thinking more about getting all of them stopped since it seems nobody wants them. I don't know of anyone who looks at them. But I'll try calling the publishers, again.

ralphwiggummm

8:15 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

I lived for several months in the DC Maryland area where they enacted these bag law and let me tell you it made what already resembles a third-world country an actual third world country.
First of all this law is just another tax. When you go into a drug store for a package of cough drops and where do you put them? In a bag. This thing is just another tax on the middle class.
You see people coming out of grocery stores, their arms full of what they have bought because they don't want to pay / can't afford to pay for bags. And there was no shortage of plastic bags in shrubbery, on the streets etc.
Don't support this new tax it is just the beginning of the slippery slope to making the U.S. a third world country.

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Ric

9:07 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

If you don't want to use plastic bags that is fine with me. But keep your filthy cross-contaminated paws out of my bag of groceries.
This is nothing more than an attempt by a group of morbidly miserable people to interfere with well-beaning of innocent people. There are many environmental problems in this country and these miserable people are worried about plastic bags? What a joke.

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KC

12:33 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

they are interfering with well beaning? I would like to see that well beaning. what kind of beans do you use? Can you carry the beans in plastic or is paper more enviornmentally sound?

NotDifficult

12:15 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Seriously it is not difficult. Our grandparents managed without plastic bags and found many ways to reuse what they bags they did receive. I have foldable reusable bags that can be carried in my purse. They are regularly washed. Also when I have bulk items I have a foldable storage container in my car that is cleaned regularly. Since we live in a drivable area (esp Middletown), it is a matter of carrying the items in the shopping cart to the car (which is more than likely used when u choose to have plastic bags) and place the items in a storage container.

@Ric I am sure the miserable people whom you think are worried about plastic bags are also worried about the larger environmental problems as well.

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Eleanor

12:31 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Since plastic bags were in use in the '60s some grandparents did use them. For groceries they started to be used in the 70s. Our grandparents also did not have to deal with mandatory recycling, pooper scooper laws, the EPA, regulations about composting, burning trash, etc. How people handled that was a matter of being a polite neighbor, not a regulated subject. Plastic bags came out of two things - a consumer demand and the 'save the trees' movement. If there are people who prefer to carry their reusable bags, they should be free to do it. If stores still want to use plastic and customers are okay with it, they should be free to take that route.

NotDifficult

1:28 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

and to add to Eleanor's last sentence for those who choose to use plastic bags they should pay for the privilege of using it just as those who choose to use reusable bags pay for the bags and its care.

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Eleanor

3:34 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

No do not add to what I said because you may not understand my meaning. Using a plastic bag is not a privilege or a right - it is a courtesy and a convenience extended to customers by a merchant. If the merchant chooses to provide plastic bags to customers, he should be allowed to - if a customer opts for them over paper or those cloth bags, or reusable bags, they should be allowed to. People who purchase reusable bags have made a choice - people who go for the free plastic bags provided by the merchant have made a choice. Just because you choose to pay for the type of bag that you use, does not mean that I should have to - I am sure the cost of those plastic bags is already factored in as an operational cost of doing business, and that customers already do 'pay' for them, just as other costs of operating a business as factored into the prices of goods and services.

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Porterincollingswood

4:20 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

The merchants will continue to give you anything you want, they're just charging 5 cents for you having made that choice as it impacts their bottom line. For the record, the merchant keeps a penny of that surcharge.

If a merchant does not want to comply they can eat the cost and, as you correctly state, build it into the cost of everything. Or they can leave one of the wealthiest areas of the country and move somewhere that doesn't have a surcharge on bags.

As for plastic bags being the rage in the 60's, sure. Gas was 20 cents a gallon. Petroleum was cheap and plentiful. Nowadays, it's expensive and in-demand.

Plastic bags are a petroleum product. I don't think people realize this.

Signed - guy who will still probably use plastic bags because he never remembers to bring along reusable ones.

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Laura

11:42 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Porterincollingswood,

Thank you for mentioning that plastic bags are a petroleum product. I think some posting on here would use thalidomide and DDT because, we all know how safe they were.

I have spoken

3:42 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Why does anyone believe or give any credability to Jeff Tittel and his merry man of fanatic nut-job AKA Sierra Club. If it was up to them, NJ would be implimenting a tax on air.

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firedup49

4:52 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Agreed... Why do we let these small group of crazies rule. Time for them to stop picking out pockets. It's time for me to say "Oh no you don't"

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NotDifficult

4:55 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Without organizations such as the Sierra club we would be living in an far more polluted, chemically messed up environment than we are already.

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Laura

11:43 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

I have spoken,

Only the hot air spewed from a few on here.

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Laura

11:44 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

NotDifficult,

I believe that some on here would love to live next to that red river in china. So pretty!

NotDifficult

4:16 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

I am glad that some retailers such as Wegmans, Target and Starbucks to give rebates to those who bring their own bags and reusable cups
"The "Carryout Bag Reduction and Recycling Act" encourages retailers to offer a 5 cent rebate to customers who bring their own bags, promoting increased recycling. The bill would impose a fee of 5 cents for every paper or plastic bag used, penalizing those who pollute. "

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Jeremiah Wright

4:38 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Nickel an diming us to death. And now everyone will be bringing their germ bags into the stores together with their filth from home and spreading it all over creation. THANKS LEGISLATORS.

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KC

12:35 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

This was very entertaining. I wish I had a hershey bar but I don't. Think I am going to pop corn. Talking about all those beans got me an appetite.

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Stan Walker

9:10 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Air pollution in Beijing goes off the index - http://news.yahoo.com/air-pollution-beijing-goes-off-index-053809937.html

More airborne pollutants are floating our way from China every day than have been produced by all the plastic bags we have ever used in this country.

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Ric

10:49 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

The anti-plastic baggers have shown me the light and I am now one with them. There is so much more we need to oppose along with plastic grocery bags. We need to also oppose the use of plastic gloves, hats, and aprons by health or food workers. Also we need to oppose plastic sandwich bags - wax paper is a good substitute. Milk and sodas should be sold in returnable glass bottles - like it was in through the 1960's. Beauty products sold in plastic containers are no more necessary than plastic grocery bags and need to be banned. For the most part, guys live without them so women can also live without them. Plastic baby diapers are evil waste of plastic and also should be banned. Stop using plastic grocery bags is just nothing. Let’s ban all plastic. That would make Jeff and his ilk so ecstatic and that is all that matters. To heck with public health. Let’s keep our landfills nice and tidy.

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Stan Walker

11:08 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Ric, Great post! You are so right. We should also ban using plastic parts in cars so that we can go back to using steel which is heavier and makes our cars less fuel efficient thereby increasing dangerous emissions. If you think about what plastic has replaced over the last 50 years, plastic has made it possible to significantly improve the quality of our environment over that period of time.

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Ric

11:35 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

@Stan. Thanks. Plastic has certainly made significant improvements in our lives. For example, back in the 1950's my mother almost died when she accidentally slashed her arm on a broken milk bottle. We need to use plastic wisely but not ban it. Reusable grocery bags are definitely a health hazard.

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Laura

11:49 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Of course, you all know that all those non-stick pans, you've been using are carcinogenic. Hey, it's okay we all have to die from something. Conservatives seem to have a brain freeze when it comes to change and saving the environment for future generations. They aren't crazy everyone else is, so they say.

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Ric

7:22 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Laura, I got a major shock for you, I supported Obama. I know it is beyond your capability but try to understand that not everyone opposed to stupid laws has to be a conservative. Enjoy your cross-contaminated reusable bag as it sickens the groceries that your family eats. What is your dinner call - salmonella anyone?

life time resident

11:53 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

Ric & Stan, snide comments aside, ultimately what would make the most sense would be the use of technology that promotes the decomposition of plastics used in the many industries, in a reasonable amount of time. Such technology already exists and there are companies out there that are producing water bottles that will degrade in 5 years instead of 450. Nobody's debating the fact that humans have benefitted from plastics, but at what cost? At what point do we (and you) realize that disposing of 270 million tons (NY times 8-14-11) of plastics into the environment each year is just plain wrong. I don’t think that anyone can make a case for why we shouldn’t be more responsible once that have looked at some of the numbers, or maybe the two great garbage patches floating in the Pacific and Atlantic. “Charles Moore has estimated the mass of the Great Pacific Garbage Patch at 100 million tons”….how can anyone think that this is okay? Not addressing the root of these issues is just plain shortsighted.

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Porterincollingswood

12:25 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013

And when you have a cheap, plentiful replacement with identical / superior functionality. That's the fact the seems to be above the head of some on here. But they like to complain, it's what they do.

This is the same nonsense they pulled with light bulbs a few years back. Faux outrage and professional victim mentality at its finest.

oldsoldier

6:02 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Personally, I do not think bringing your own shopping bags is a bad idea. I too see the plastic bags on the side of the road or blowing around. I'm am willing to give anyone their due when a valid point is made, and Mr. Tittel did so here, in my opinion.

As for those of you who see fit to inject 9/11 victims into this thread - Obviously you were not affected like many of us by it. I hope you never have to know what it is like to deal with the loss and the after effects of something like that.

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jerseyswamps

6:41 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013

Up next, plastic medical waste. We've all seen or read about hypodermic needles on our shores. Perhaps all medical items should be made reusable? Let's not worry about germs. Wash those needles. Think of all the fish we can save.

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Jim

10:25 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Google UN Agenda 21. Read the first 10 pages. You will understand why this clown constantly posts these articles. Depopulation is the end goal of this nonsense. Stop being so gullible. We all care about the Barnegat Bay. Get the UN out of our country.

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~Barb~

11:13 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Why is it ok for a deer to crap in the woods but not a dog?

I eagerly await the response from a tree hugger who is hacking away on a laptop that was built in China with slave labor in a plant that is polluting the air and water, and was transported here on a cargo ship that burned fossil fuels and killed wildlife.

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fed up

11:21 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013

Agree 100% Barb. I left a similar post up top last week. This guy is priceless.

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VoiceofReason

8:51 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

^ I agree ^

I love the look people give you when your dog crapps in the wooded area of a walkway, or park (ie: Double trouble) I can see if it's in plain view, or an area where people will step - but in the woods, C'mon people. It's ok for the hundreds of animals to do so but not pets.

Eleanor

5:55 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Barb is right. Yes it is the right thing to do to clean up after your dog but if you take a walk on the beach in the morning you will see hundreds of birds, a lot of rabbits and once in a while a fox and they have to 'go' somewhere.
And we use way more plastic every day than we take in by grocery bags - plastic utensils bought in the store and given with take out food, plastic hot cup lids, plastic containers, plastic packaging, plastic security tags on clothing, plastic hangers, plastic dry cleaning bags, plastic parts on appliances, plastic sun glass frames, plastic beach sandals, plastic parts on ink cartridges, pens, flashlights - need I go on? There was a big move about 20 years ago to get away from glass bottles on drinks and cosmetics and move to plastic (a lot had to do with liability for cuts on broken glass) and one of the biggest points of argument in OC lately was to save the trees by redecking the boardwalk with a vinyl based composite.
And Barb is right - these plastics are manufactured in places where they do not have our environmental dictators, by slave labor and then burn through thousands of gallons of fossil fuels to be delivered here - in plastic containers.

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Curious George

8:55 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

One way to cut in half the proliferation of these plastic bags is to make sure the checkout counter person combines more than one item in a bag. Too often they quickly take an item, bag it and move on to the next. Also, adding to the problem is the fact that people are putting the items from the produce section into provided plastic bags and then those bags are placed in other bags at the checkout counter. A while ago, when the "designer" supermarkets were offering reusable shopping bags, it was reported that, unless they were properly washed or laundered, they often grew dangerous bacteria.

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Katnypp

8:58 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013

Just another way for politicians to tax the American public. The 5 cent fee is not going to discourage many, and people will get used to paying it so it will never go away (remember when suitcases were free to travel with?) The 5 cent fee is not going to suddenly make the plastic bags "good" for the environment. Maybe I'll avoid all controversy by recycling old pillow cases and using them as a "grocery sack". That way I won't be taxed, can wash them easily so no one will complain about my bags and I can carry a lot more then the cheap bags they give/sell anyway.

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Bob Abuie

4:26 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013

Stores will not lower prices, it is just another way of changing the pockets that the money goes into. I wonder how many jobs get lost at the plants that make the bags to help generate the 0.05 additional revenue for the state?

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jabe0312

6:45 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013

SO new we have to pay to get a bag to carry our groceries out of the store????? That's absurd!! The reusable bags are nothing but germ carriers and I dont want to be bothered. Stop using plastic bags, they suck anyway. Make 1 turn on your way home from the grocery store and your groceries slide out all over the place. Paper is bth recyclable and biodegradable....I have no use for the plastic ones anyway. But to charge everyone for using store supplied bags is nothing but a hidden tax.
Another tax perpetrated by the environMENTALists!

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J Payne

11:55 pm on Monday, January 21, 2013

More lefty BS. Rather than encouraging reuse of bags for the sake of it, people that do not are considered "polluters" - this is how Obama got re elected, by the kumbaya singing lefties....I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony --- hey you in front, don't drop that Coca Cola bottle while you're smoking that joint.....

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Mike

8:14 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

The BAG police will be watching.

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bayboat

9:03 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

Payroll taxes just went up, now my paycheck is $2000 less for 2013, and my healthcare is more expensive than ever (Thanks Obama)
Just another example of people (Im looking at you Jeff) who want to bleed the middle class dry, 5 cents at a time.
Thanks for nothing.

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Laura

9:40 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

There was a temporary payroll tax cut in, wait for it - 2010. It wasn't extended. It was never meant to be permanent. Thank Obama for the TEMPORARY payroll tax cut.

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Porterincollingswood

9:42 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

No, your payroll taxes went down in 2012 and you had $2000 more. You should have saved it, that was a temporary tax holiday.

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Joe T

10:09 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

The payroll tax holiday was put in 2010 by the Democrats who controlled the Senate, House and White House. These are the same Democrats who said tax cuts create deficits and yet here they were cutting taxes and increasing the deficits/debt.

The "cut" was temporary mostly because the lost SS revenues only further reduced the cash flows into the SS fund and came without any reduction in future benefits even though we didn't pay for them and as pointed out above, added to the deficit/debt.

While the payroll tax holiday - the TAX CUT of 2% was temporary, the increase back to most middle class Americans is significant. 2% x $40K = $800. It essentially wipes out any increase in wages they might have received (if lucky and not employed by the government). This is on top of rising gas, food and healthcare costs.

Pretty much Obama has impacted the middle class more than anyone knows but like most low information voters, they can't understand it.

Oh well, elections have consequences. Less money for middle class means less to spend means weaker economy means less jobs means more problems.

Now back to the discussion about plastic bags.

Porterincollingswood

9:51 am on Tuesday, January 22, 2013

If you can, watch CNBC's special on grocery stores in America. They can't operate like a typical retail business, which is why they get hurt so badly by Wal-Mart and Target.

You will find out why the cost of 90% of the store's items won't go up. You'll also find out why the penny they get from this will likely be put right back into lowering the cost of staple products, and why bread-eggs-milk-butter (which are, btw, government subsidized to keep prices down) will be further lowered if they feel consumers are pinched from the bag tax.

They'd rather charge you $0.05 for a perishable product they may have to throw away than making you pay for a bag that will last 1,000 years.

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Mind of my own

11:45 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013

The meat and poultry you buy comes in a styrofoam container. We should ban those too. Open your pocket, I will put the London Broil in there. Don't worry, the blood is biodegradable. Just remember not to cross contaminate by putting beef and chicken in the same pocket!!!

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Monk

6:22 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Momo, Lady Gaga is way ahead of you. Don't just transport your food. Wear it. Meat fashion. For liberals, it's always silly season.

WMS826

12:24 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Jeff just got the Hess refinery in Woodbridge closed down. Now 170 families have no income as well as all the store and delis nearby that the workers went to.

Oh, and gas will now become more expensive too for you people.

Great Job Jeff....

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Mick Foley

1:07 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Who would listen to this JA jeff?

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WMS826

4:27 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013

Guess a lot of people listen to Jeff and he got what he wanted Mick. Who cares about the rest of us is the question. What about the companies that supplied the parts to the refinery, contractors who came in and did welding and other skilled labor. What do you say to them Jeff....

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